Friday 9 October 2009

Rangers & Celtic to join the English leagues?

It may just be wishful thinking on his part, but Glasgow Rangers Chief executive , Martin Bain, is saying that he expects Rangers to leave the SPL within the next decade. It's an old argument, of course, and one that would prove highly contentious both north and south of the border.

The simple truth is that the Old Firm dominate Scottish football to a mind-numbing extent that largely brings the annual SPL title down to the four matches they play against each other. The rest of the professional sides in Scotland lead a precarious existence in terms of financial viability and the revenue from their Rangers and Celtic games is vital to their continued welfare. However, the argument that the Scottish leagues might actually thrive if they once again became properly competitive is an intriguing one. I am convinced that Aberdeen would see a re-awakening in their fan base if they felt there was something to challenge for and the Dundee and Edinburgh clubs might experience the same revival that could re-invigorate football on the East coast. I know that I would feel that making the effort to get north for a couple of games a season would be far more worthwhile. As it is, the football is just an excuse to catch-up with mates.

There is also a very strong nationalist argument in Scotland that they would be better off without the Old Firm. Like it or not, the fact is that a large majority of Celtic fans feel little affinity with the national side. Their Irish heritage and international appeal as a club with left-wing sensibilities leaves them aside from much of the rest of Scotland. You might assume that Rangers would automatically be sympathetically viewed across Scotland as the antithesis to Celtic, but the fact is they are not. The clubs long traditions of pro-Britishness gives them strong support in traditional conservative heartlands of England, Northern Ireland and large parts of Scotland, but this in itself also makes them unpopular in Scotland at large. Their fans are seen as being so pro-English that at times they are anti-Scottish. It doesn't help that the Scottish media is so Rangers biased. If you want proof of these views, you only need attend a Scotland international; Old Firm fans are conspicuous by their absence and the rare sightings of Rangers or Celtic tartans are often greeted with jeers.

The real problem for Rangers and Celtic is winning sufficient influence in England and the thorny question of where they would start and what would happen to the clubs who would inevitably miss out. The idea that they might start off in League 2 is a logical one in terms of them having to earn their place in the higher leagues, but the Football League will have a strong fight on it's hands getting all of the clubs to agree to it when two of them know they will dropping out of the league to make way. However, with the far more frequent churn at the bottom nowadays, perhaps the way could be sweetened for the two losers with a cash lump sum or other incentive to help them get back into the league the following year. Rangers and Celtic would create significant interest amongst fans of English clubs as they made their way through the leagues, which I believe they would, although you have to wonder if they would settle for several years at least outside the PL and without their financial lifelines of European football. This is the key reason why I believe it remains a step too far as things stand.

Entry into a European Super league might be the easiest way for the Old firm to get more lucrative and competitive football. Let's face it, if the Big Four dominance in England continues for much longer, they might also fancy the challenge and the clubs left behind might also find a renewed interest in a return to the days when everyone had a chance of the title and the cups were shared around.

In the meantime, I am really enjoying life in League One although would much prefer to re-enter the Championship with a young side brimming with confidence and ready to have a go

8 comments:

  1. Therefore the Scottish Premier is much the same as the English Premier. Why dont Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal join the Scottish Premier and make the English league more competitive?

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  2. I like your thinking Terry but I don't see the mountain going to Mohammed.

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  3. I suspect you're not going to like this Dave, but it's how i and i suspect many English football fans feel.
    The country in which we live used to be a United Kingdom. No matter what pretence is kept up by Westminster, it's not united anymore.
    Twelve years ago i MAY not have objected to the 'Old Firm' joining the English League. But now i stand resolutely against it. Scotland is virtually a 'foreign country' You may disagree but when the Scots vote for independence, as i believe they will. The argument will be over.
    Therefore there would be no more sense in letting Scottish teams in our league than letting French, German etc. in the English League.
    For the sake of Scottish football and indeed English football, the best place for Rangers and Celtic plus Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal is, in my opinion a Euro league.

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  4. Daggs - I have no problem with that at all. I am not in favour of the Old Firm joining the English league either. I believe very strongly in the Union and I think it has a long way to run. Devolved government is also good to a degree but I am no Scottish Nationalist! The silent majority in Scotland know which side their bread is buttered on. The collapse of the Banks last year was a stark warning for the SNP and the electorate in Scotland saw it. Scotland simply could not have refinanced HBOS or RBS. Alex Salmond will have a long wait in my view.

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  5. Love your idea Terry - didn't think of that one. If Celtic and Rangers want to play in England let them - as long as they start in the same league AFC Wimbledon had to.

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  6. I'm a West Ham Fan. Born in East London but now living in Southeast London. I've always liked Rangers & I go up about 3-4 times per season. I think the way forward for the "Old Firm" & the "Big Four" in the PL is the European Super League. I really think it will improve our Leagues a great deal. I can't see the "Old Firm" being allowed into the English League. Can't see the Police being too Happy with it either!

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  7. An interesting article Dave. I personally would just have them all piss off to a European League but I am not sure I could then cope with even more neurotic Spurs fans.

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  8. My concerns on this subject revolve around the geographical distances that this move would cause.

    There have recently been suggestions about going back to the Third Divisions North and South to help reduce travelling for away fans. To bring in teams from another country would make that worse.

    Also with the Premier League being the richest in the world there would be demands for the top French sides to join. Haven't Lyon won several championships back to back in France? It makes sense for them to join the Premier League too.

    The truth is that despite demands for it the fans of these clubs wouldn't like it if they, themselves, became also rans. As it is the top sides in England, Spain, Italy, Germany, France and Scotland have six titles to play for between them. If they were forced to choose a structure where that was reduced to one I suspect that they would run a mile.

    The English clubs seem to be in the best position right now as Sky pay more for the Premier League. However, if all the top European clubs had access to the same money it might change a few things.

    Ultimately the Scottish teams are just 'jealous' that they are much bigger clubs than, say, Wigan but have a lot less income.

    My view is that if your stadium is in Scotland you must play in the Scottish league.

    For the record I'd be more than happy to expel the Welsh teams from the English Football League too.

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